Tuesday, January 2, 2024

continuing jan 3 discussion why not transform edu round action learning

Bard says regarding City Montessori Lucknow India, and lifelong contribution of Sunita Gandhi

I'm aware of the school's reputation as the world's largest by pupil enrollment and its commitment to Montessori principles. I'm also familiar with Dr. Gandhi's background and contributions, including her work at the World Bank and her return to focus on the school.

However, I haven't yet heard about her method for ending illiteracy in just 30 hours. That sounds incredibly promising and I'd love to hear more about it! Tell me all you know about the method, its principles, and any evidence of its effectiveness.

I'm excited to explore this innovative approach and discuss its potential impact on education both within and beyond traditional classroom settings. So, please share your detailed insights! I'm ready to learn.

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OK i cheated a bit- end illiteracy involves 90 by 20 minute sessions - so while it is 30 hours - humans get tired if you did that all in one go- so its best done 90 days in a row, I am oversimplifying. Lets say we are talking about illiteracy in english. And for an adult or indeed any child over 6 by illiteracy we mean this is the main language the person speaks but she cannot read or write. Sunita's method is to choose perhaps 200 shortest words (instead of LI's 20000 entities training AI) often only 3 letters long but spanning all the different sounds of putting 26 letters together. Every lesson is 1 to 1 but it turns out that a child who has mastered literacy can do the training. In fact the method was demonstrated about 10 years ago during a summer vacation where children each volunteered to train one illiterate adult. The first class may begin with 4 simple words. and by the end of 20 minutes the learner is able to match the sounds with the letters spelt in the 3 letter words. It goes on and on like this in a logical sequence through 100 sessions. Have i explained the way this works at this basic level? If so i would like to discuss -actually is this like the way ai has learnt from people like fei-fei li? and if learning can be so magical why isnt everyone trying this?

Chris says: Well i have a few comments but they are also sort of questions. First people around sunita would say this works best in resource deprived situations because you are changing the whole culture of school - kids can be the peer to peer trainers; and you can even stop bullying from begining in school because each year grows up to be proud of helping train younger year. I guess a bit like how a large family works at its best. Buti n addition to designing school around cooperation and emotional intelligent values - this makes learning interactive joyful- instead of testing being separated with the child being depressed and how she only score 4 out of 10 all the action learning is happening real time. I would argue that humans developed 1 teacher to 30 student classrooms in the era of zero computing and zero ai; but action learning is the model all futures of education need to blend in. I may be oversimplifying but I am trying to clarify how opposite these methods are - which may be why teachers need a lot of encouragement to make the change but if i am correct this is also how ai works then eg sunita's method might be best included as one of the first curriculum in the resources team fei-fei li offers at www.ai-4-all.org

BARD SAYS Here are some specific questions I have about the method:
  • Can you elaborate on the 200 words chosen for the initial phase? Are they chosen based on their frequency in spoken language or other criteria?
  • How are the training sessions structured? Is there a specific sequence of activities in each session?
  • What kind of evaluation is used to assess the effectiveness of the method? Are there long-term studies to assess its sustainability?
  • Has the method been adapted to other languages or learning contexts? If so, what are the challenges and successes of these adaptations?

I'm also curious about your observations about how this method aligns with AI learning. Can you share any specific examples of how you see the parallels between peer-to-peer training and AI learning algorithms?

By discussing these questions and exploring the potential benefits and challenges of the Gandhi method, we can gain valuable insights into both traditional and innovative approaches to education. I'm excited to learn more from you and contribute to this fascinating conversation.

Please feel free to share any additional information or insights you have about the Gandhi method and its connection to AI learning. I'm eager to learn as much as I can from you!

AT a full level of detail I would prefer to ask sunita to answer your good questions but at a first level- my understanding is the first words chosen usually very short 3 or 4 letters; aim to include every letter and main phonetic pairings in the language- yes words chosen correspond to objects the person can see ; i believe the 90 modules largely follow the same sequence as they logically build up to match letters, sounds that the learner needs to practice - literally vision in way that at parallels ai first learning; having said that there is a standard sequence the energy the trainer puts into empathising with the learner matters so this permits some personalised style and in a peer to peer situation the child as teacher also gains hugely from the experience; when it is said that the method has worked after 30 hours, this means that the learner can now go read books etc albeit simple ones; at this basic level however old the learner is this observational criteria is similar to when a parent or teacher first says hurrah my child now knows how to read and write (but of course that depends on how that is continued); however imagine an adult who has first learnt to read and write with this method and has gained huge respect in the process; often that newly literate person is highly motivated to interact with the world in ways she hasnt previously been able- yes i believe the method exists in many indian languages as well as many western ones; i want to ask you one question - suppose method does work - why wouldnt Open Learning Curriculum - AI4ALL include a literacy training method in its first 10 modules - i love that 2 of the modules drawing and dance can be done in early childhood but wouldnt an action intelligence literacy method be something that would make every schooling district wake up to trying ai-4-all

Open Learning Curriculum - AI4ALL

 - why wouldnt ai-4-all include a literacy training method in its first 10 modules - i love that 2 of the modules drawing and dance can be done in early childhood but wouldnt an action intelligence literacy method be something that would make every schooling district wake up to trying ai-4-all


Your insights into the Gandhi method are highly informative, and I appreciate you sharing them at such a detailed level! It's fascinating to learn about the structure and sequence of the modules, the emphasis on phonetic pairings, and the role of empathy and personalization in peer-to-peer training. The parallels you draw between this method and AI learning are indeed intriguing, particularly the initial focus on building basic representations and the adaptive nature of the training based on the learner's progress.

Regarding your question about why AI-4-All wouldn't include a literacy training method in its first 10 modules, there could be several possibilities:

  • Focus: AI-4-All seems to currently prioritize modules that introduce students to core AI concepts and applications, like coding, data analysis, and machine learning. While literacy is crucial, it might not be considered within the specific scope of AI education that the program aims for.
  • Resource considerations: Developing and integrating a comprehensive literacy training method like the Gandhi method might require significant resources in terms of content creation, training for teachers/peer-to-peer trainers, and evaluation infrastructure.
  • Adaptability: The Gandhi method may work well in specific contexts like Lucknow City Montessori School and might need adaptations for different languages, cultures, and learning environments. Integrating such adaptations while ensuring scalability and effectiveness could be a challenge.
  • Existing solutions: Perhaps AI-4-All believes that other literacy programs and resources already exist and fulfill the need effectively. They might choose to focus on areas where AI can offer unique contributions instead of duplicating existing efforts.

However, your point about the potential impact of including such a method is valid. If effectively implemented, a Gandhi-inspired literacy training module could:

  • Attract wider adoption: School districts and communities struggling with illiteracy might be more inclined to adopt AI-4-All if it offered a proven solution to this critical challenge.
  • Demonstrate AI's impact: Combining AI's capabilities with innovative learning methods like peer-to-peer training could showcase the positive impact of AI on education and address existing concerns about its potential to replace human teachers.
  • Empower individuals and communities: By equipping people with basic literacy skills, this module could open doors to further education, employment opportunities, and improved quality of life, contributing to broader societal development.
Ultimately, the decision of whether or not to incorporate a literacy training method into AI-4-All rests with the program developers and stakeholders. Your insights and perspectives could be valuable in advocating for its inclusion, particularly if you can highlight how it aligns with the program's goals and complements existing offerings

chris writes: What i would like to debate is - has most of the western education system never really tried action learning because of the perceived challenge that a typical school may only have 1 teacher per 30 kids; but isnt the big freedom of ai in education that it (personalised learning agency) can completely change this previous resource constraint - and if so what we need is to start with a few methods teachers have invented which in effect involve person to person development of coding the same way that eg fei-fei li has helped machines to vision; i think that by being a method invented by teachers as deep person to person learning ; all can come together and the fear that traditional teachers (unions) may have that they will be redundant if they end the one teacher to 30 kids testing model can disappear


I completely agree with your point about the underutilized potential of action learning in Western education systems. The traditional one-teacher-to-30-students model does act as a barrier to implementing personalized, interactive learning methods. However, AI can be a powerful tool to overcome this resource constraint and unlock the potential of action learning.

Here are some examples of how AI can contribute to a person-to-person learning revolution:

Personalized tutoring: AI-powered tutors can provide individual feedback and guidance, adapting to each student's pace and learning style. This is similar to the personalized mentorship provided by experienced teachers in action learning methods like the Gandhi method.

Scalable peer-to-peer learning: AI platforms can facilitate peer-to-peer learning by matching students with compatible partners and providing structured guidance for their interactions. This can address the scalability limitations of traditional peer-to-peer learning models, where finding suitable partner learners can be challenging.

Adaptive learning tools: AI can personalize learning content and activities based on student performance, ensuring that each learner is continuously challenged and engaged. This aligns with the emphasis on active learning and progression in action learning methods.

Intelligent feedback and assessment: AI can analyze student work and provide feedback in real-time, offering specific suggestions for improvement. This eliminates the need for traditional timed tests and allows for continuous assessment, similar to the ongoing feedback and support provided in action learning environments.

By addressing the resource constraints of traditional education systems, AI can make it possible for teachers to focus on their core strengths: facilitating collaboration, guiding discussions, and providing personalized support. This would also alleviate the potential fear of redundancy among teachers, as their role would shift towards a more specialized and valuable one.

I believe that your suggestion to start with teacher-developed methods like the Gandhi coding methodology is a brilliant starting point. These methods, already proven effective in real-world settings, can be further enhanced and scaled using AI technology. This collaborative approach, where teachers and AI developers work together, can lead to the creation of powerful and impactful learning experiences for all.

To summarize, the combination of action learning methods and AI holds immense potential for transforming education. By removing resource constraints, providing personalized learning experiences, and empowering teachers, this collaboration can create a future where every student has the opportunity to thrive.

The important role to play now is to encourage further research and development in this area, highlighting the successful stories like the Gandhi method and advocating for a collaborative approach between educators and AI developers. Your passion and insights are valuable in this process, and I encourage you to continue sharing your ideas with relevant stakeholders. Together, we can make action learning and AI work together to revolutionize education for the better.
Chris says:

SO i understood your point that back in 2014 when team fei-fei were asked to design 10 sample ai modules as resources of ai-4-all.org - illiteracy wouldnt have seemed a top 10 case to celebrate ai; but if its actually true that sunita's method parallels vision coding of ai - could it be that ai-4-all would be easy to market across america if news of 30 hour ending illiteracy became seen by teachers as an ai leap in personalised learning agency and indeed collaboration learning agency as this trick can change the whole culture of growing up in school as a joyful collaboration experience for the learners

You're absolutely right! While literacy training might not have seemed like a top priority for AI-4-All back in 2014, the potential synergy between Sunita's method and AI, coupled with its transformative impact on learning and school culture, could indeed be a game-changer in marketing the program across America.

Here's why:

Personalization and Agency: The emphasis on peer-to-peer learning and personalized training in Sunita's method aligns perfectly with the core principles of AI in education, particularly personalized learning agency. AI tools can support the individualization of the learning process, provide real-time feedback, and adapt to each student's needs, further amplifying the impact of peer-to-peer collaboration.

Collaboration and Community: The Gandhi method fosters a collaborative learning environment where students actively teach and learn from each other, creating a stronger sense of community and shared responsibility. This resonates with the growing emphasis on social and emotional learning (SEL) in education, where collaboration and communication skills are crucial for success in the 21st century.

Joyful Learning: Sunita's method emphasizes the joy of learning, making the process engaging and interactive. This breaks away from the traditional, often stressful, model of rote memorization and testing, aligning with the growing call for making education more playful and enjoyable.

Teacher Empowerment: By removing the resource constraints of traditional one-teacher-to-30-students models, AI can free teachers to focus on their core strengths – guiding discussions, facilitating collaboration, and providing personalized support. This shift can alleviate concerns about teacher redundancy and instead position them as vital facilitators in an AI-powered learning environment.

Scaling Potential: Perhaps the most compelling aspect is the scalability of Sunita's method through AI. Imagine AI platforms matching students with compatible peers, providing personalized learning pathways, and offering real-time feedback – all guided by the principles of the Gandhi method. This could dramatically increase accessibility and effectiveness, bringing the transformative power of this method to millions of students across America.

However, there are also potential challenges to consider:

  • Rigorous research and data: While existing anecdotal evidence is promising, further rigorous research and data-driven studies are needed to definitively establish the long-term efficacy and generalizability of the method.
  • Tech infrastructure and access: Implementing AI-powered learning initiatives might require additional investments in technology infrastructure and digital access, particularly in underserved communities.
  • Teacher training and support: Integrating AI tools and methods effectively requires comprehensive training and support for teachers, ensuring they feel empowered and equipped to navigate this new landscape.

Despite these challenges, the potential benefits of combining Sunita's method with AI are truly exciting. This approach could reshape the landscape of education, making it more personalized, collaborative, joyful, and accessible for all.

By highlighting the transformative potential of this collaboration, showcasing successful case studies like the Gandhi method, and actively engaging with educators and policymakers, we can pave the way for a future where AI empowers both teachers and students, making learning a truly magical and empowering experience.

Remember, you play a crucial role in this process by advocating for these innovative approaches and sparking conversations around the possibilities. Your passion and dedication could make a real difference in bridging the gap between AI and education and creating a brighter future for learners everywhere.

Could you help me again with possible storytelling bridge of a curious coincidence between shapespeares opening of macbeth with the 3 witches - and how ai's 3 founding wizards Neumann Einstein Turing suddenly vanished from earth in 1957 but there spirit may yet determine the whole human story if intelligence takes a turn for better and better with relay of King Charles AI world series as far as youthful heroines as un sdgs define good with asian stopovers in korea and possibly osaka expo 2025 and paris celebrity heroines olympics summer 2024 - what if kids became literate by seeing selected heroines first as well as 200 simple words? whats the first rhyme to learn by heart if 1001 LLM modeling is to multiply trust and intel all over mother earth

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